Curse

CK0 · May 11, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by michaeldt

I wonder what the OP would have said if anet had said fations was being delayed by 3 months? or indeed, many of the others who have so much to complain about...

What is the point in wondering about this? Need ammo for a counter-argument? It's not going to happen.

IMHO, the release could have been pushed back a bit and I wouldn't even care. I'm sure others wouldn't have cared either. The point being is that it was released when many college or high school students are finishing up their semester and preparing for final exams. Education goes before any kind of leisure such as a game, and we can certainly do without the lure of playing one.

Or how about ANET not putting their foot down to the deadline of April 28th, the date near or exact to their original release? They obviously did not want to delay from that for some reason.

C.K.0.@!

generik · May 11, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by CK0

Or how about ANET not putting their foot down to the deadline of April 28th, the date near or exact to their original release? They obviously did not want to delay from that for some reason.

C.K.0.@!

Perhaps bank account running dry

Snowman · May 11, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I must admit, I am rather disapointed by the lack of word from Gaile or anyone about storage.

Up to factions nearly every time she spoke she mentioned 'improvments to trade' and that they were 'HIGH priority'.. also the recconect issue was 'HIGH priority'..

I understand that these things take time, and Im not saying I expected them to be done by now, but I find it very suspicious that suddenly Gaile has gone cold on these issues, the best we get is 'sorry no news on..x' (were x = HIGH priority improvments)

Just a word or two would be sufficient, but usually when Gaile goes cold on a subject the news isnt good.. opting to give no news instead of badnews.

Loviatar · May 11, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by generik

If it truly took them so long to produce Chap 2, I do not even dare to think about the crap Chapter 3 will be, being cobbled together in a mere 6 months. That said I think I will just wait for official word that the features I want are out instead of "trusting" Anet's hype and koolaid

get as mad as you want to but at least try to get some facts straight instead of uninformed tripe.

it was announced many places (including here) that the chapter 3 team started work 6 months after the release of GW so as to give a full year on it come release oct/nov.

if you hate it so much why are you still playing anyway?

serious question as if i get a game i dont like i dont play it and wonder at someone who forces themselves to play while hating the game.

morte · May 11, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by generik

Perhaps bank account running dry

Does everyone realize that we are enjoying an essentially free entertainment venue. Every other MMPRG I have ever played, and its been quite a few, have a monthly subscription fee. So that is a steady income every month, not to mention sales of the game proper. And then there are still many bugs in any game, regardless of the added income to pay testers or a larger team of developers. We don't pay squat for GW besides the game itself. So don't become complacent and complain constantly about things not being done. A-net is most likely doing the best job possible with their resources. However, I am sure that if we as a playing base all decided that if we payed a monthly fee in exchange for more content faster, or larger updates then maybe thats a fair trade off. If not, then just be happy with the amazing job that is being done by the developers and enjoy an essentially free pastime, cuz they are quite rare.

Stepping off soapbox now.

Snowman · May 11, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

in any case, C3 will be an expansion, not a stand alone, it wont be as costly as Factions, and therfore not as much content.

WetWookie · May 11, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

I doubt that. Why would it be an expansion and not stand alone?

CK0 · May 11, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

if you hate it so much why are you still playing anyway?

You just don't get it, do you?
If you had to pay $50 for a game that cannot be returned, and were disappointed with the content, I would be furious as well. You play it to try and salvage what you can out of your loss, and you point out your disappointments so improvements can possibly be made for the future. Apparently you don't understand the current frustrations, so please refrain from involving yourself in them.

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Originally Posted by morte

Does everyone realize that we are enjoying an essentially free entertainment venue. Every other MMPRG I have ever played, and its been quite a few, have a monthly subscription fee.

Uh yeah, I'm sure I realized that due to it being partly the reason I BOUGHT THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE! If this game had a monthly fee, ANET wouldn't even see the money I gave them/

Loviatar · May 11, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by CK0

Apparently you don't understand the current frustrations, so please refrain from involving yourself in them.

so you can bitch and i cant question the bitching? sounds fair i guess

you are correct as i for one am having fun as it seems most people are except a small amount of complainers who are on all sites feeding each other.

some salt to run in your wounds

http://www.gamershell.com/news/29984.html
NCsoft Europe announced that Guild Wars Factions, the next campaign of Guild Wars, the popular mission-based competitive online RPG developed by ArenaNet, has gone straight to the number one position on the UK PC chart (compiled by Chart Track © ELSPA). Launched last week, Guild Wars: Factions offers new regions, professions, skills, missions, and monsters, along with expanded options for both Cooperative and Player-versus-Player (PvP) play, and enhanced features for guilds.

http://www.chart-track.co.uk/index.j...r=2006&week=18

NUMBER 1 HERE ALSO FOR SALES

Developer Label Publisher 1 1 GUILD WARS: FACTIONS ARENANET NCSOFT EUROPE NCSOFT EUROPE

just for good measure it is at the top of the asia tracker as well.

you are the small minority

Omni Spirit · May 11, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Snowman

in any case, C3 will be an expansion, not a stand alone, it wont be as costly as Factions, and therfore not as much content.

It better be an expansion and selling for $30, no way is anybody buying another chapter with such small content.

Theos · May 11, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Omni Spirit

It better be an expansion and selling for $30, no way is anybody buying another chapter with such small content.

Only small content to the mentally deficient and blind. Sorry to say.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Theos

Only small content to the mentally deficient and blind. Sorry to say.

I don't know, I think you'd have to be mentally deficient and blind not be able to finish it in an afternoon. That's considerably less content than the original.

felinette · May 11, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

http://www.gamershell.com/news/29984.html
NCsoft Europe announced that Guild Wars Factions, the next campaign of Guild Wars, the popular mission-based competitive online RPG developed by ArenaNet, has gone straight to the number one position on the UK PC chart (compiled by Chart Track © ELSPA).

This means nothing. It just means a lot of players bought the game, probably because they liked Prophecies. Remember, everyone complaining here has bought the game--high sales numbers do not automatically mean a bunch of satisfied customers.

Theos · May 11, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

I don't know, I think you'd have to be mentally deficient and blind not be able to finish it in an afternoon. That's considerably less content than the original.

Here is an idea, instead of supporting you argument "I finished factions in XXX time with my level 20 character by rushing the game" why don't you try playing prophecies from LA on with a level 20 char and tell me how long it takes. Lets see, about 15 missions, you can plow through five to ten of them in less than 30 minutes each... leaving maybe 10 missions for you to actually give effort on and several of them are jokes.

Would you look at that, I can beat prophecies with a level 20 in a day too, I guess using your logic Prophecies sucks. Oh well, hypocrisy.

felinette · May 11, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

I don't know, I think you'd have to be mentally deficient and blind not be able to finish it in an afternoon. That's considerably less content than the original.

I must be mentally deficient and blind, then. I think there's enough content for $50 and I doubt I'd be able to finish it in an afternoon. There's a lot I don't like about Factions, but I don't think the game is too short.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Theos

Here is an idea, instead of supporting you argument "I finished factions in XXX time with my level 20 character by rushing the game" why don't you try playing prophecies from LA on with a level 20 char and tell me how long it takes. Lets see, about 15 missions, you can plow through five to ten of them in less than 30 minutes each... leaving maybe 10 missions for you to actually give effort on and several of them are jokes.

Would you look at that, I can beat prophecies with a level 20 in a day too, I guess using your logic Prophecies sucks. Oh well, hypocrisy.

Here's an idea, stop making assumptions about how I played the game.

I started a character from scratch in Cantha, and played through it at a normal pace. I even dragged my feet in a few places. I finished Factions in a fraction of the time that it takes me to do the Prophecies campaign.

So by suggesting I start with a level 20 at LA you're admitting that Factions is only comparable to a portion of Prophecies, and not the whole?

Theos · May 11, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Here's an idea, stop making assumptions about how I played the game.

I started a character from scratch in Cantha, and played through it at a normal pace. I even dragged my feet in a few places. I finished Factions in a fraction of the time that it takes me to do the Prophecies campaign.

So by suggesting I start with a level 20 at LA you're admitting that Factions is only comparable to a portion of Prophecies, and not the whole?

You omit the fact that you know how the game works, that simple knowledge allows you to plow through the game. I can plow through presear with in two hours, the rest of the game is not all that time consuming. Especially since I know the tricks of the game.

By saying from LA on I am ommiting a section I deem comparable to Starter island which a level 20 has no "real" access too. Way to use your head, genius.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Theos

You omit the fact that you know how the game works, that simple knowledge allows you to plow through the game. I can plow through presear with in two hours, the rest of the game is not all that time consuming. Especially since I know the tricks of the game.

By saying from LA on I am ommiting a section I deem comparable to Starter island which a level 20 has no "real" access too. Way to use your head, genius.

Did you consider that I may have played more than one Prophecies character? I'm not comparing my Factions experience to my first character where I was learning, I'm comparing it to my second and third.

What's more is that considering I knew exactly what to do in Tyria the second and third times through, whereas I'd never played Factions before, you'd think that it would slow me down a lot in Cantha if the content is equal. But this isn't the case.

Since you're such a genius that you mock me, how about you explain how the comment about LA and how a level 20 has no access to the starter island has any relevance at all? If you're trying to show that Factions has as much content as Prophecies, comparing the dinky starter island to ALL the content before Lions Arch is NOT the way to do it.

Do you have anything to say that doesn't end up supporting my argument instead, or do you think that trying to insult people makes you more right? GG, Theo, but you fail to support your point.

Theos · May 11, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Did you consider that I may have played more than one Prophecies character? I'm not comparing my Factions experience to my first character where I was learning, I'm comparing it to my second and third.

Why yes I did, see I assume you started either with an equal level of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

What's more is that considering I knew exactly what to do in Tyria the second and third times through, whereas I'd never played Factions before, you'd think that it would slow me down a lot in Cantha if the content is equal. But this isn't the case.

Your logic is at best null here, in Factions you can do more than one thing at once, such as quests. While in Prophecies you had to run from point A, map to reach point B, then hopefully point C was still in the same map, all this time you cover pointless amounts of space with nothing more than scenery. You point fails.

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Since you're such a genius that you mock me, how about you explain how the comment about LA and how a level 20 has no access to the starter island has any relevance at all? If you're trying to show that Factions has as much content as Prophecies, comparing the dinky starter island to ALL the content before Lions Arch is NOT the way to do it.

ALL? All the content before LA, especially Ascalon is a place most players want to escape and quickly, luckily the game allows you to do this with four easy missions. The Island of Shing Jea gives two missions, one that is tutorial (simply removing any real need for Presear) and a mission that offer some challenge to those who may be new or "rusty", it infacts offers you multiple paths to a single objective which no other mission ever has. The starter island has abot as many quests as ALL of the content you seem to worship, if not more, it is simply more packed and there are not MASSIVE wastes of space where you can simply look at things, how very... worthwhile. So yes, the Island is equatable to Ascalon -> NPeaks.

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Do you have anything to say that doesn't end up supporting my argument instead, or do you think that trying to insult people makes you more right? GG, Theo, but you fail to support your point.

I do not see how I supported you, I simply omitted pointless information I assumed you would have gathered, or infered. I suppose I was wrong, I am sorry I will, from now on, use very long sentences to say the same. After all you do like lots of wasted space, so I will make sure everyone of my replies is filled with Verbal BS.

UndeadRoadkill · May 11, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

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Originally Posted by Theos

Why yes I did, see I assume you started either with an equal level of knowledge.

Then what was the point of your comment about me "omitting" that I had knowledge of the game that allowed me to plow through it? Still does not refute my assertion that Prophecies requires more hours of gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Theos

Your logic is at best null here, in Factions you can do more than one thing at once, such as quests. While in Prophecies you had to run from point A, map to reach point B, then hopefully point C was still in the same map, all this time you cover pointless amounts of space with nothing more than scenery. You point fails.

That point was more of a side comment about your claim that I plowed through Factions because of my knowledge of the game. But if you want to bring it up, covering pointless amounts of space with nothing more than scenery (oh, and monster battles) is probably about equal to going back and forth across maps that I cleared already to finish a quest. Except for scenery being different.

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Originally Posted by Theos

ALL? All the content before LA, especially Ascalon is a place most players want to escape and quickly, luckily the game allows you to do this with four easy missions. The Island of Shing Jea gives two missions, one that is tutorial (simply removing any real need for Presear) and a mission that offer some challenge to those who may be new or "rusty", it infacts offers you multiple paths to a single objective which no other mission ever has. The starter island has abot as many quests as ALL of the content you seem to worship, if not more, it is simply more packed and there are not MASSIVE wastes of space where you can simply look at things, how very... worthwhile. So yes, the Island is equatable to Ascalon -> NPeaks.

Whose logic is null? You're trying to say that both have equal content, but that the "training area" in this one is shortened. It looks like you're trying to tell me that Prophecies after LA is just as short as Factions after the island. In order for them to be of equal length, Factions after the island would have to be much longer than Prophecies after LA. I really don't feel that that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Theos

I do not see how I supported you, I simply omitted pointless information I assumed you would have gathered, or infered. I suppose I was wrong, I am sorry I will, from now on, use very long sentences to say the same. After all you do like lots of wasted space, so I will make sure everyone of my replies is filled with Verbal BS.

Or you could just use more insults, that might make you look smarter.